Thread: Game Types & Server Population

Bearing in mind PropHunt and DoubleCross are very much new gamemodes and maps respectively, another potential observation could be that people are playing them because they haven't been available as long? While I'm not going to argue that it's easier to get a game of Prophunt and DC, check out the release dates:

Dustbowl (stock map): October 2007
Goldrush (launch of payload maps): April 2008
Prophunt (officially released by Dark): Late July 2009
DoubleCross: Mid-December 2009 (with the WAR! update)

Clearly, with Dustbowl and Goldrush having been out for over 1-2 years BEFORE the launch of your stated "better" games, might it not simply be that people have played them to death? You're entitled to your opinion of course, but please don't try to force it onto others - you sound incredibly arrogant and thoroughly unlikeable. It's certainly not an example an admin should be setting.

Note: If you were going to be antagonistic, you could also say that Prophunt also has a lower skill level entry - it's a vastly simplified gamemode (no offence meant Dark, it's how it should be) that simply doesn't require the same amount of teamwork and understanding of class balance and counter that the regular/original maps/gameplay do.

Originally Posted by Shinkz

I thought I'd take the Raeg approach to things and be an asshole. Seems to work well for him.

I don't think you're being an asshole at all - you're expressing your view which I actually do consider to be important. I do believe that those two maps have been played so much people are bored of them, which is why it's sometimes hard to find people to fill those servers.

At the risk of being accused of backing down, my troll image was something I'd added quickly and intended in a far more lighthearted manner than you have obviously taken it. My comment about your arrogance, unlikeableness and a poor example of admin attitude was primarily based on your attitude your comments seemed to be inferring towards those "normal" (my term, for simplicity's sake) TF2 players who play the regular maps more regularly than special gamemodes. Specifically referring to this:

Originally Posted by Shinkz

I'm shocked that nobody is joining the servers with crappy maps and fail game modes. Shocked!

and this:

Originally Posted by Shinkz

Oh erm gee, let's see. It's easy getting a game of Prop Hunt or Double Cross (CTF) but the other fail maps/game modes such as Spambowl/Fail-load are empty. Sooo.. pointing out clear observations some how makes me a troll?

Well gosh, I got owned and proven wrong there. Nice job skippy. Keep up the good work.

I'll leave you guys alone to QQ some more.

Taken at face value, I can't help but assume that you meant them in a superior or obnoxious manner. Having had little contact with you before this point (due to me not playing prophunt very often), I only have your forums posts and this thread to go on - not exactly ideal, I must admit. Your observations regarding the maps are accurate as far as I'm concerned, but the way in which you made them appeared (to me at least) to be derogatory.

I've no desire to turn this into an internet fail-argument - I just wanted to express my own opinion on the subject, so I'm happy to leave it here to die if you're in agreement.

EDIT: Sorry for derailing the thread guys, carry on

Originally Posted by Shinkz

I thought I'd take the Raeg approach to things and be an asshole. Seems to work well for him.

Remember: grown-ups are supposed to set an example to those less intellectually privileged. Good job there, hard hat!

There's no reason to get arsey about it, just tell us what you think and we'll take it on board.

Originally Posted by Shinkz

Apologies. I'm just a little on edge, over-worked and irritated by a few things lately.


I'd like to see a server with rtd, rmf and the presents mod added. TF2 isn't much fun when taken seriously, that's why I don't like Spambowl, Fail-load, etc. I know there's quite a few people who think the same as me. I know there's a lot regular prop hunters (Mostly Thunderfuckers) who have been playing on Negro's idle server lately because he's recently installed all 3 of the above mentioned plugins.

That's actually playing on an idle map and enjoying it, not sitting around... well, idling. I wouldn't mind seeing those plugins installed on a 5 flag ctf map such as one of the 2fort edits or doublecross. When I'm not Prop Hunting, watching anime or playing another game, I'll usually be on GoRClans Engy Power 2Fort just because of the rtd. If that server included the presents mod too it'd be gold. It'd be nice if the GM servers had some fun server mods and plugins rather then just the normal modes.

Agreed, i like servers when they have a goofy kind of kick to it. it's fun to see what you might roll on the dice.
what i'd personaly like to see is a mod rotation server, so it has normal tf2 maps but also has modded maps as well to keep things fresh, also give it rtd and i'd love it. it'd be fun for people who don't take tf2 seriously and also the roation will keep it from getting repetative, as playing one map is cool and all but just playing that one map does get boring after a while :>